Clintwood-Haysi thoughts

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exactly it is the present moment time will come i remember not to long ago that Haysi was on the other end of a clintwood win after win for at least 8 years that i know of in a row. actually that streak just ended about 3 yrs ago.

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I'm not in anyway supporting BDD Rulz post but 8 years in a row? Where are you getting this info? The longest winning streak Clintwood has had versus Haysi since 1980 is 5 years in a row from '86-'90.

Since 1990 the regular season series is tied at 8 wins a piece.

The times they are a' changing.

Who would have ever thought a once powerhouse school like JJ Kelly would have seasons of 0-10 and 1-9?

Clintwood may have to get to that place before they turn the tide again.

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exactly it is the present moment time will come i remember not to long ago that Haysi was on the other end of a clintwood win after win for at least 8 years that i know of in a row. actually that streak just ended about 3 yrs ago.

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my mistake i was thinking clintwood had won all the meetings from 96-03 but there was a loss in 01 19-0 Haysi so it is 5 yrs at the most.

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exactly it is the present moment time will come i remember not to long ago that Haysi was on the other end of a clintwood win after win for at least 8 years that i know of in a row. actually that streak just ended about 3 yrs ago.

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I'm not in anyway supporting BDD Rulz post but 8 years in a row? Where are you getting this info? The longest winning streak Clintwood has had versus Haysi since 1980 is 5 years in a row from '86-'90.

Since 1990 the regular season series is tied at 8 wins a piece.

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Well i know that im going to sound like a sore loser who is try to make excuses but the tigers have one of the dirtiest players that i ever saw. #7 (dont know his name) would take you after the ref blew the whistle and wasnt looking and throw you to the ground. Then when you get up he is standing there like nothing happened. It happened to everyone one of our recievers tonight not just me. The refs shouldve called the penalty or something.
But i have to give congrats to the tigers they whipped us tonight on the lines.

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I just read your posts and dude I have to admit thats just sad to get on here and be a baby like that. You may not know his name but you should probably just go ahead and call him daddy if you let him spank you like that and didn't do anything about it except get on here and cry a handfull. You might want to ask yourself if football is really a sport you should be playing. There are other non-contact sports available like golf and tennis that might suit you better if you don't like getting roughed up. C'mon don't embarrass your school and teammates like that...take your spanking like a man and come back next week and be the whipper instead of the whippee.

"By the way the officiating was terrible tonight."


I'm not trying to be overly critical and ofcourse I still haven't reffed my first HS game yet but it certainly wasn't the best. Question #1: When did offensive pass interference become a loss of down penalty? Question #2: How can you have a defensive pass interference on a deflected pass? Question #3: Is it an incomplete pass when the QB loses the ball while he is bringing it back and then slaps it forward with his forearm after he has already lost possession?

There were also some questionable calls that went against Clintwood as well but thats just a few blatant ones I noticed that went against Haysi. None of the calls against either team affected the outcome of the game but #3 caused it to be a 34-21 game instead of 41-13.

Now when did i say that i didnt like getting hit? I already said that i wouldnt have cared if he did that when it was before the whistle but it is just cheap and dirty when you do that to everyone of our recievers whenever you got the chance.

Yep you can jump all you want, but of course just realize that you see pretty much all the people from Clintwood being nice and complimenting Haysi. No excuses. Of course we're all such bad sports and sore losers, its truely amazing to see that.

I won't say anything bad about the Haysi fans, for every one that was saying losers, how does it feel to lose again Wave at the players as we walked back to the locker room, there was 2-3 saying good job, way to battle and being nice. Just like every place, they have their good and bad, and unfortunately it looks like at least one bad (or supposedly one) has found the forum.

You're right on most of those calls..I can honestly say I'm not sure about the offensive pass interference being a loss of down. I actually thought it was that, but hey maybe it's not. One of the refs can probably clarify that.

As for the batted ball, I think someone clarified that one too, although I forget what they said, but I'll try to ask and see what it was. It may have just been a wrong call but I think they said why it was called as opposed to it normally not being called.

The third one, sorry man I disagree with you on that one, his arm was going forward as the ball slipped out. I know from your vantage point you'll say otherwise, and I'll say from mine which was directly in front of the play, and since it was on our sideline, and he's a right handed quarterback meaning his arm and motion was towards me, he was coming forward as it slipped out. As he completed the motion yes his arm hit it but it wasn't like he was swinging at a gnat either.

One thing that I think Haysi either does really well and/or takes advantage of is there coming to the line and snapping immediately. There was more than a few times that people weren't set before the play started. Truthfully, that's probably smart as you do really give your team less chance to jump offsides. I thought it was funny when the whistle or the horn (I forget which it was now, I think a whistle) and the player was flying forward because he was used to doing it so quickly.

There was some bad calls, and some both ways, but I won't dare say officials decided the game.

And as for Timmy, when you're probably the smallest guy on the field, you're going to be a target. Timmy takes some good shots most of the time. I haven't seen him gripe about being hit before, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on it. He is the one who would know if he was or wasn't being hit after. I can honestly say I didn't see it happen much, I seen a few close ones, but that really didn't matter much. I don't think Haysi was anywhere close to the dirtiest team I've seen. Not saying they weren't but if they were, they were sure sneakier [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

It's part of the game, Tim. After the first time, all you do is tell the official on your side. If it happens again, tell him again. Keep it up until he does something about it. If he doesn't call it, it's not a foul.

Play of the game was when Rock had to use that blistering speed of his and his mad juking skills to get out of the way of the punt that hit near our sidelines.

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yeah I couldn't escape it

I was fully expecting to get brained [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Well I thought it was kind of humorous and creative at least.

We talked several days about this Clintwood - Haysi rivalry being so intense and consuming the players, coaches, and fans. Is it really that surprising that after the game is over, the winning team is going to enjoy strutting their stuff and claiming their bragging rights?

I know some think Clintwood is above it, but I really wouldn't expect the Clintwood fans to react any differently had Clintwood won the game.

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Yep you can jump all you want, but of course just realize that you see pretty much all the people from Clintwood being nice and complimenting Haysi. No excuses. Of course we're all such bad sports and sore losers, its truely amazing to see that.

I won't say anything bad about the Haysi fans, for every one that was saying losers, how does it feel to lose again Wave at the players as we walked back to the locker room, there was 2-3 saying good job, way to battle and being nice. Just like every place, they have their good and bad, and unfortunately it looks like at least one bad (or supposedly one) has found the forum.

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Wouldn't happen with 95% of the folks on here. Just look back less than a year in the board history after the Clintwood/PV game. Most of the CW folks on here are older and more mature than that, minus burrhead. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Of course it's only happened with one "new" moron from Haysi.

Priceless moment.

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Play of the game was when Rock had to use that blistering speed of his and his mad juking skills to get out of the way of the punt that hit near our sidelines.

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Obviously, you have a higher opinion of the Clintwood fans. No point in arguing it.

So, the game is over. Haysi won. They're enjoying their bragging rights. I'm not surprised that Clintwood fans don't appreciate it. But, you knows it takes two teams to make a rivalry. Despite what some might think, no one is completely guilty, no one is completely innocent, and it's never one-sided.

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Wouldn't happen with 95% of the folks on here. Just look back less than a year in the board history after the Clintwood/PV game. Most of the CW folks on here are older and more mature than that, minus burrhead. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Of course it's only happened with one "new" moron from Haysi.

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You have a GREAT intrest in this for someone from neither place.

Sorry I can't claim kinship to either Haysi or Clintwood. I obviously am glad that Haysi won, but I don't think the outcome was ever really in question.

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You have a GREAT intrest in this for someone from
neither place.

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New policy...

Statisticians need to be issued shoulder pads and cups.

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yeah I couldn't escape it

I was fully expecting to get brained [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]


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Nope, just need to know there isn't a case of water on the ground under my feet and I could be more elusive
(The legendary waterboy Jacob had a bad tendancy to lay them down wherever he happened to decide to wander off, only time I ever ended up on the ground on the sidelines was seeing a play coming out of bounds, taking two steps and wipe-out). Last night, I see the punt coming and reflex had me checking the ground for water bottles)


As for the comments, like I said most people are ok, but there are the idiots anywhere you go.

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I am a seasoned fan of Clintwood and congrats to the Haysi team for a game well played....but what did my heart more good than anything, was seeing my grandson and his friends from Clintwood having a friendly conversation after the game. Folks, that is all it about for us! We all need to take lessons.

The Clintwood coaching staff have always done a great job of instilling sportsmanship in their players, moreso than many other teams in the area.

Ideally, it would be great if that sportsmanship would extend to the communities.

Congratulations to the Haysi Tigers on a well-deserved win!

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I am a seasoned fan of Clintwood and congrats to the Haysi team for a game well played....but what did my heart more good than anything, was seeing my grandson and his friends from Clintwood having a friendly conversation after the game. Folks, that is all it about for us! We all need to take lessons.

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"The third one, sorry man I disagree with you on that one, his arm was going forward as the ball slipped out. I know from your vantage point you'll say otherwise, and I'll say from mine which was directly in front of the play, and since it was on our sideline, and he's a right handed quarterback meaning his arm and motion was towards me, he was coming forward as it slipped out. As he completed the motion yes his arm hit it but it wasn't like he was swinging at a gnat either."

On your sideline? The play happened on about the 3 yard line near the endzone at the field house on the right hash mark. I was standing right next to Clintwood fan Tony Mullins and his wife and our vantage point was right behind the head ref about 13 yards from the play. It was the best view I had of any play the entire night. The ref made an extremely late call and did not blow his whistle and signal incomplete until the ball had already rolled around and was recovered by a Haysi defensive lineman. I immediately said fumble and Tony just smiled and didn't disagree. I think the call was based on the score at the time. Oh well no big deal...like I said before it didn't affect the final outcome.

Lots of bad calls (going against both teams)

Haysi Came out excited and exploded on Clintwood in the 1st qtr (99% sure that we were in negative yardage that 1st qtr and Haysi started all 3 of there drives on the Clintwood side of the field)

Clintwood started the game out looking like they were a bunch of Freshman and sofmores going against a super tough team in a hostel environment IMHO in the final 3 qtrs Clintwood held there own (Being fair Haysi looked to be the better team the whole way through even after blowing there load in the 1st)

The kids from Clintwood grew up alot this week and so long as they don't tuck there tail between there legs this game will make them a better team this year.

I honestly thought Haysi would take a step back this season but I think that so long as something funky does not happen at Honaker they will finish up the year 10-0 and the Region D will go through Sandlick (Offence is better than last season the D may not be as tough but I kind of hope maby our O is alittle better this year as well [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] )

Haysi has a heck of a team this season and I hope we get to see them again at the end of the season so I can see how much our younguns grow up during the year

Conrades to Haysi I will be pulling for you the last 9 games this season LOL

Yes closer to our sideline, You were standing near Tony and Valerie I know exactly where they were. I however was even closer to that. I always try to get behind the offense so I can see the number of who takes the ball on a carry, see if there is a bobbled exchange, etc. That is why when you're behind the QB and you see the arm going forward and the ball coming out, you're a bit more sure of the motion.

You said fumble immediately and Tony smiled. Mmmm what exactly was he supposed to do, jump up and down and beat you to death with your own arm?? You all were winning handily, it wasn't like we were disgusted that a bad call was going to cost us the game at this point. Probably was smiling that you were up like that and you were still trying for calls. The ref didn't call it immediately but when he did, he was awful emphatic wasn't he? It was a close call, no question, it may have been a fumble but to me at least, it really looked like he was trying to go forward as it slipped out and like it or not, that would be an incomplete pass, not a fumble. It wasn't like he was standing there holding onto the ball and it just fell out of his hands. I'll agree with you that at least one of the early non-fumbles was a fumble, I'm just not agreeing with every call that you see. You're right though, it didn't matter in the outcome.

Clintwood who??? [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beer1.gif[/img]

Man did we destroy you all or what! That was one of the best games I ever seen and then to come on here and read a player for Clintwood crying about it!

Now that I have had a few laughs about it, it really was a good game for us. We came out and took you out of the game immediately. Obviously Grundy had nothing because neither your offensive line nor your defensive lines could do a thing. No protection for 8, and no pressure on Compton equals a big win for us. I think your defensive coordinator is trying to do too much, he was jumping around like a lunatic over there trying to make adjustments and the moment you guys would try to adjust we would run a play, it was perfect. That kind of junk worked when you had a Moore in there who knew what to do and could do it quick, but with a bunch of young guys like you all have, keep it simple stupid. Worry about tackling and people just doing the simple stuff before you try to open the playbook on them.

Good luck Clintwood. I hope you all win a bunch of other games now. I'm proud of my Tigers. I said we didn't need to win this game but just worry about Honaker but I'm glad we won this one. Nothing like putting a beating on the Green [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/getsmile.tmp007816300.gif[/img]

"You said fumble immediately and Tony smiled. Mmmm what exactly was he supposed to do, jump up and down and beat you to death with your own arm?? You all were winning handily, it wasn't like we were disgusted that a bad call was going to cost us the game at this point. Probably was smiling that you were up like that and you were still trying for calls."

I didn't yell and scream at the ref or jump up and down or anything...i simply said "fumble" in a normal tone of voice. To me the call wasn't close...he clearly lost it as he was pulling it back to throw and the slapped it forward after he had already lost it. I believe i could see the replay 100 times and still be sure it was a fumble. I guess you see things through green glasses and I see them through red, i don't know.

Counts is right because some calls went against Clintwood as well. One of Haysi's recievers appeared to juggle the ball before gaining possession on the sidelines and it was ruled a completed pass. On Clintwood's first touchdown there appeared to be a blatant facemask on Osborne as he crossed the goaline after being caught from behind by Barton.

I don't agree with your rub it in attitude but you are making a valid point about Clintwood's defensive strategy. It appears to me they are trying to do too much. Alot of the short pass plays that Haysi was running were very simple routes and plays that you run in JV but guys were coming WIDE OPEN without a defender 10 yards from them. At some point with H.S. kids you have to simplify things and say this is what your assignment is, this is what we are running. Don't adjust to everything the offense does...make the offense adjust to you.

"I honestly thought Haysi would take a step back this season but I think that so long as something funky does not happen at Honaker they will finish up the year 10-0 and the Region D will go through Sandlick (Offence is better than last season the D may not be as tough but I kind of hope maby our O is alittle better this year as well )
Haysi has a heck of a team this season and I hope we get to see them again at the end of the season so I can see how much our younguns grow up during the year
Conrades to Haysi I will be pulling for you the last 9 games this season LOL"

Funky things have happened at Honaker before just like in '04 when Haysi took a more talented team over there and got beat. We'll see what happens but I think if we go over there and play well then everything will be alright.

Just like I told you before the game I think the offense is going to be fine for Haysi. I didn't leave the game that night feeling great about the defense but I think they will be ok. I said before I believe the significant step back for the Haysi program won't come until the '09 season(Colley will step down that year). They will be down for several years until some of the kids that are in little league right now get in H.S. The JV program at Haysi right now is not in good shape.

I believe Clintwood can take alot of positives from that game and I think they will be a strong contender in the LPD. I don't think last years win against PV was a fluke, I believe they can beat them again. I feel almost certain they won't go 0-3 against Burton, GC and PV. I believe they will get an easy win against Appy next week. I too hope they win the rest of their regular season games and would love to see an all Dickenson County Region D Championship. Can you imagine if DC high was consolidated this year with the improvement at Ervinton? Put a few of the athletes they have in there with the speed Clintwood has and the size and power at Haysi and I'm afraid Richlands would just have to settle with being the 2nd best team in SWVA. Ofcourse that holds true over the past 15 or 20 years...football is as good in Dickenson County as anywhere per capita.

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That kind of junk worked when you had a Moore in there who knew what to do and could do it quick, but with a bunch of young guys like you all have, keep it simple stupid. Worry about tackling and people just doing the simple stuff before you try to open the playbook on them.



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I think I would have worded that a little bit differently but those are some valid points. No denying it.

Never said you screamed, just said what we he supposed to do, get totally worked up at that point in the game? Turn around and tell you that you're wrong?

I think I realized what you're doing, it's a Dubya thing [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

"Sue Ellen Rogers of Hammerstein wrote me and told me that she supports what I'm doing and that we are doing right by social security so see America, I'm doing right!"...which translates to Tony Mullins smiled so I was right saying it was a fumble [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

In all truth, I watched the film and this play in particular again tonight. It's definitely a close play, and again I think he was moving his arm forward, the ball ends up in front of him, if he just dropped it, the initial point the ball lands would be at his feet or if he dropped it as he was raising it to throw, behind him (at least it would make sense if that was the case). It definitely could have been called either way. I got one for you though if you want to watch replays over and over and be sure that a call was missed and missed badly. Big long pass play, early in the game, down the sidelines. I think the play before #7 went in for 6. Receiver jumped, caught it and I was closer to being inbounds than he was. Actually a play like that did matter, because it was early, and I can't remember the down, but for some reason was thinking it was a third (might be wrong).

I had missed the Osborne facemask, I was writing down the yardage and missed it. It was a pretty obvious one wasn't it.